We are funding a war that isn’t ours to fight and Israelis are.
A second ago, a second ago I told you that the Iranians called you call you the big Satan and they call us the little Satan.
The only difference between the two of us is that they can reach us but they can’t reach you and it’s not the first time that they’ve attacked Israel.
So, and they also killed Americans.
The thing about that is they also killed Americans in the barrack bombings in Lebanon.
They kill American troops.
They used their proxies in the region to kill American troops and American soldiers.
they took Americans hostage uh when the revolution took place.
It’s not the only time.
So to say that they have nothing to do with them would just be, you know, you’d be blind.
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What’s up, bro? Nothing.
What’s up with you? What do you think about the I’m here talking to people about the deal that happened with um between I mean, not the deal, the 60-day extension of the ceasefire.
The Okay, so the ceasefire like to my knowledge hasn’t actually worked.
Like it none no side has stopped shooting at each other.
Am I right? No, it’s a it’s a 60day.
It’s not an actual like it’s not it’s not a deal.
It’s to enforce a framework work that will get a deal.
But uh you’re right still fired rockets at Israel and Israel had to respond.
So this did happen.
But it’s it’s Iran it’s Iran obstructing the deal, not the Israelis.
So um yeah.
So the what you’re talking about right now is uh is a deal that’s up in the air right now.
I’m talking about uh the deal to open the the straight the straight of Hermuz.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Has it um like have they met in uh Switzerland or Sweden yet? I think it’s supposed to be in Geneva if I’m not wrong.
And it’s supposed to take place on Friday.
Yes.
Uh uh it it could work if if every side collectively agrees to stop fighting one another.
Gotcha.
Do you think that uh do you think which side do you think is more of a problem in this situation? Um well the American side of it is we shouldn’t be sending our troops to fight a battle that wasn’t ours to begin with, right? Like you know that’s that’s the way I believe uh in America’s involvement at least.
Um as for Hold on before you continue just a second before you continue.
Who is the biggest enemy of Iran? The biggest enemy of Iran, I would probably say maybe the Israeli government.
Uh the Ayatollah said in 1982, “The biggest enemy of Iran, of the Islamic Republic, is America.
” He said, “I will never be friends with the Americans.
I’ll never be friends with the Israelis.
” And it’s the same uh it’s the same bloodline, you know, and at the end of the day, they said they call America the the big Satan and they call Israel the little Satan.
If that’s how they treat Israel with October 7th and rockets from Kisbala and rockets from the Houthis and all the proxies of Iran, what makes you think they’re not going to do the same to the United States once they obtain ballistic missiles that can reach all the way to the United States? Well, that’s the thing to my knowledge right now.
the the only reason like um we have gotten involved at all, at least that’s what Donald Trump is saying, is that we want to make sure that Iran doesn’t develop any nuclear missiles or any missiles of that any kind that could come over and you know obviously harm America and um that part I I honestly feel like yes that that’s a good thing but yet Iran shouldn’t have a weapon period right it they shouldn’t but At the same time, I feel like the the handling of the situations are pretty poorly from from Israel, from Iran, from America.
Like all every side has sort of a a problem of the way that they deal with this.
Like um for instance, the Iranians, they won’t listen to reason.
They won’t give up whenever they know they can’t possibly win.
Uh the Americas, we are funding a war that isn’t ours to fight.
And Israelis are a second ago.
A second ago I told you that the Iranians called you call you the big Satan and they call us the little Satan.
The only difference between the two of us is that they can reach us but they can’t reach you.
And it’s not the first time that they’ve attacked Israel.
So and they also killed Americans.
The thing about that is they also killed Americans in the barrack bombings in Lebanon.
They killed American troops.
They used their proxies in the region to kill American troops and American soldiers.
They took Americans hostage uh when the revolution took place.
It’s not the only time.
So to say that they have nothing to do with them would just be, you know, you’d be blind to not see the reality.
Well, yes, I got to agree with you there in in some ways.
I’m not saying Iran is is good people, but No, Iran is good.
I’m talking about only the government.
I’m not talking about the people of Iran, which are amazing people.
That is that’s what I meant.
I was actually about to say that.
I I was going to say um I’m more or less talking about the governments here.
Like the people, all of us are people at the end of the day, right? But our politicians aren’t people like we are.
I mean, they’re so much higher in just every aspect of life than we ever could be.
You know what I mean? And this is really just a war between them.
You don’t think they have to take care of the interest of the people of the United States and the people living in Israel? I mean, if you were a person living in Israel, what would you think about the situation? We were attacked first.
We keep getting attacked by an Iranian proxy and right now they tell us you have to stop the uh your operations againstah.
Why should we listen? It’s our war to fight.
It’s the existence of our people in the northern part of Israel.
Which country in their right mind would say no to this? I agree.
I agree with you there.
But at the same time, if if a country is is trying to work out like a ceasefire or if if there is even talk about it, then all missions of the sort like there should be some type of, you know, proof like, hey, we’ll withdraw our troops from here as a sign of good faith and then if you withdraw your troops from here and we all can come together, then we can work out a deal.
But no side has offered to even try that.
I mean, why? Notra, not Iran, not America.
You Why would Israel offer to withdraw their troops from Lebanon if they if they literally have nothing to do with Iran? Lebanon is a separate country and it’s a country that with its current government, we can make a peace deal with.
We can sign a peace deal one of their allies if No, no.
Lebanon is not part of their allies.
It’s a Shia militia.
It’s a Shia proxy being present in the southern part of Lebanon tormenting the Israelis.
So when people see Israel responding, it’s because they get attacked.
If your country right now gets attacked by Iran when there’s a ceasefire, do you think your country should respond? Uh, yes, with reasonable force.
Got you.
That’s exactly what Israel is doing.
Every time Israel is responding in Beirut or in South Lebanon, it’s because they get attacked by which is an Iranian proxy that shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
So, and I agree with you there.
It It’s only fair to attack the people who are attacking you.
But I got to say with with some of the things that I have heard, you know, I don’t know if they’re true.
They could be, they could not be.
Um, but I’ve heard that some of the uh like the ways that the Isra like the IDF soldiers and all that go about these things.
I mean, sometimes they’re just borderline irresponsible about things like they kill.
They kill more than they need to.
They um they mistake normal civilians for terrorists all the time.
It’s it’s not and it it kind of has something to do in my opinion with the fact that like your country has that mandatory draft at 18 years old and sometimes some of those 18year-olds go into the the war and they’re just an 18-year-old isn’t ready to see a battlefield.
I mean that’s just not how it is nowadays.
I mean, you can’t send a 18-year-old out there and expect them to make uh these these important decisions in like split seconds like this, like uh taking a human life, you know.
Got you.
Um first of all, I have to agree that some people are probably going to be bad apples and going to do, you know, atrocities that are, you know, they’re not, you know, they’re usually condemned by the And there hasn’t been punishment for those people either.
As far as my knowledge goes, there’s been punishment.
There was a person there was a person who crushed who uh destroyed a uh a Catholic statue of Jesus in the southern part of Lebanon.
He was dismissed from the army and he was put in prison for a month.
So there is punishment and the fact that and by the way my country also replaced the statue but it’s it’s not the point.
Uh the reason why you see a lot of civilians dying is because what is Hamas’s dress code orbala’s dress code when they fight? Do they have a specific uniform or they fight like civilians? Well, that works both ways because at the same time, you know, you got to be you have to use your visual like interpretation of somebody like let’s say you seen somebody let’s see if let’s say if you seen somebody holding a AK-47.
Yes.
Even if they were a civilian and they were holding it, that is still pretty reasonable grounds to shoot them, right? But if they’re unarmed and, you know, kneeling like this or or have their hands up like this and they’re still being shot, then that’s the problem, you know.
And you see and you’ve seen videos of that.
Uh I’ve seen a few like live leak videos type videos like that where the person I’m not sure where the person would be for all I know, but wait, that’s just what I’ve seen.
the person like this holding his arm begging for his life and the IDF soldier shoots him.
Oh no no no like that was just an example like I I mean they could be walking like this or they could be walking just normal like not showing any signs of aggression and boom.
Gotcha.
Do you think do you think that Israel has the the most uh powerful intelligence like one of the most powerful intelligence uh in the world? Mossad, you know, intelligence wise, like with just the pure amount of information Israeli had or Israel has over every other country.
Yes, I honestly would say that.
So, what makes you think you don’t have the right intelligence to know which one is a person, which one is abala fighter and a civilian? Because we have a pretty good intelligence.
We have people working for us.
We have, you know, one more.
One more time.
I’m sorry.
One more time.
Oh, good.
I said if we are if we have one of the best intelligence services in the world, you know, alongside the United States, which by the way, we do a lot of collaborations with our intelligence.
What makes you think that we have a hard time distinguishing between civilians and combatants? We have uh people working for us that are that are living in Lebanon sometimes inside the unit telling us, “Uh, guys, they’re leaving a warehouse in about 5 minutes.
Make sure to to get them.
” Like they they have the intelligence to to distinguish the differences.
You know, so just to say that they shot civilians or their or I mean, listen, if you would have if what you would have told me would have actually been the case, we would have seen overwhelming evidence of IDF soldiers just killing civilians.
But it’s not the case.
You don’t see that.
You see destruction and then you automatically assume they kill innocent civilians.
It’s not the case.
I’ve seen videos of people walking down Gaza, like a street of in Gaza.
They were Hamas terrorists.
They weren’t holding any weapons, but but a second ago, like the the video was cut and you see them stashing their weapon and walking like normal civilians, what would you do then? Well, if you’re intelligence is that good, then you should know that that person specifically isn’t a terrorist.
Like what what examples I’m giving are things that happen whenever uh like there’s a operation to take over a specific like uh population like heavily populated area.
You know what I mean? Like like a village for instance, that’s where they hide.
They hide behind civilians.
They hide behind very very busy population.
That is a problem.
But at the same time, if if it comes down to either executing one terrorist and a civilian to get to that terrorist or eliminating neither as a as a empathetic moral person, do would you say that the correct answer would be to let them both go? If if the only way to was to kill the terrorist was to shoot the human shield, would you would you either let them both go or kill them both? It depends on the ranks.
It depends on the ranks.
If this is a really valuable terrorist that we’ve been looking for for a long time and we’ve missed opportunities.
And by the way, the IDF uh um prevented some attacks because they saw some Hamas leaders with civilians around them.
So, they uh rejected to react and do anything.
It happens a few times.
So, you just you do assessments.
you you see how valuable is this person to us and how many more opportunities like this we’re going to get.
If this is a you know a situation that’s been happening a few times and you you realize that hey we have to get rid of this guy then yes some civilians are going to die in the process.
Why is this person who is a high target walking around civilians? Why not alienate yourself? Why is he using them as human shields? Well, yes and and I I completely agree with you.
I’m not saying that Iran using human shields is like um you know a good thing at all.
You know, it’s it’s clearly a horrible thing.
But it’s not the it it’s basically it comes down to this.
It’s not the the civilian’s choice that that terrorist specifically made them their shield that day.
You know what I mean? Like it’s not it’s not fair for a human to make that decision.
You know, I mean, war isn’t fair and I understand that.
And you know, you got to do what you got to do in some cases.
But I mean, if like just try to imagine if it were the other way around and you know, like uh another military comes in, you know, even if your country started and you’re just a bystander and all this and you get shot to kill another person and your life was just a like a pond to be used for something that you weren’t even involved in.
You know, it’s just kind of messed up.
We we um we had the opportunity to bomb everything from the skies, you know, not to risk our soldiers.
We lost nearly a thousand soldiers.
And I’ve heard about the warnings that y’all have given, too.
I have heard about Hold on just a second.
Just just to to try to get you to understand, if we had the opportunity to bomb from the sky and also give warnings and prevent soldiers from getting killed, uh kidnapped, almost kidnapped, whatever.
If we had this opportunity, why why just not do this? Why send soldiers? Why send the army into Gaza to try and rescue our civilians that were taken hostage and also minimize civilian casualties? Because we lost soldiers.
And if you’re asking me what’s more valuable to me, a life of an Israeli soldier or a life of a Gazan that happened to stand next to a Hamas terrorist, I’m going to tell you my soldiers every single time because the soldiers are the people of Israel.
They serve serve in the army.
They have to serve in the army because otherwise we’re going to be eliminated.
So if you’re asking me what would I choose? I would choose my soldiers every single time.
Hamas was elected by the Gazins.
It was elected by the Gazins in 2006 and they cheered when October 7th happened and said inshallah it will happen again.
This is not this is not the kind of mentality you can you can work with.
You can’t work a peace deal with this.
I I hear you out on this, but and and whenever you say there can’t be a peace deal worked out between this there there’s always a way.
It it just it takes time and it you know with the way that everything’s moving, it it may seem like it’ll take forever and it might take forever.
This war could go on until I’m like 80.
I mean, we never know.
You know what I mean? But um it’s just like with certain aspects of the war, it it just some sides have unhumane practices that just shouldn’t, you know, be done in the way that they are in my in my opinion.
And it could be it could be different.
We’re all able to have our own subjective opinions and all that, but who do you blame for it? That’s just how I feel personally.
Who do you blame for these sick acts? Well, I got to be honest.
I I’ve heard that the the Iran and Israel conflict, you know, is is has been a long time brewing fight.
Like you two, your country and their country have always been at odds together ever since like the establishment of both, I’m pretty sure.
No, we had a pretty good relationship with Iran up until 1979 until the Islamic Revolution took place and then Islam entered into the system.
Islam, religious Islam, Shia Islam.
And that’s the reason why we started having beef because they looked at us as the enemy.
They looked at us as the kufars that need to be killed.
Um, but it’s I wasn’t talking about Iran.
I was talking about Hamas because Hamas chose to invade.
Hamas knew that this would take place.
Hamas knew that civilians were going to die.
Who do we blame for the deaths of innocent civilians? Israel or Hamas? Um, in in that specific instance, yes, you you could say Hamas.
Okay.
Hisbala chose to agree with you there.
chose to attack us from South Lebanon on October 8th.
We did not do anything tobalah.
We chose to retaliate.
They chose to attack us first.
Who do we blame for what’s happening in South Lebanon? Israel orbala? um mo most likely his but at the same time there’s like I’ve heard so many stories of like whenever um I believe that the the refugees of Iran or wherever it was uh they tried to like whenever they were in that in between limbo of like Israel didn’t want to accept them into their country and um the other one was talking about um like setting up a a reassurance thing for them like a a what is it whenever you get like a reward for some compensation a compensation for it and and Israel the whole time was like no these refugees aren’t people we’ll never accept them into our country and whatever happens to them is when when when did it take place uh like I said I’m not too familiar on all of the details but there were um some event led to a bunch of refugees from uh I believe it was an Iranian province and um they were all like put out of their homes and [ __ ] to wars and stuff.
And you’re talking about the Nakba, huh? The Nakba.
Uh what is that? Can you uh in 1948 what they claimed that they were that they were they became refugees because of Israel? Because Israel was created.
You’re talking about this.
Oh yes.
Yes.
About the stolen land.
Yeah.
That whole ordeal.
So they were Who started this war, by the way? Who start Who started this war? Who started this war? Because it happened because of a war.
Who started the war? Which one? The one I’m talking about or the one that The one you’re talking about, the 1948 one.
Well, from what I’ve heard, it sounds like Israel tried to take land from those people and um and after the fact, whenever it was all said and done and they they, you know, got the land, they offered no recompensation.
They offered no uh financial help or relocation.
They just said, “Fuck them.
Let the United States deal with them.
” I I don’t exactly if you’re talking about what you’re what like where the 1948 situation then it’s not true.
In 1948, Israel uh created a state after the UN and the League of Nations and and the uh the 181 partition plan that took place.
Uh Israel accepted, the Jews accepted, the Arabs refused, the Jews established the state, the Arabs started a war with five Arab countries including Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt.
And they just invaded.
Were there I were there people there before you know this whole establishment of the country? There were people everywhere before establishment of countries.
Lebanon is also a fairly new country.
It was created I think in 1946.
Does it mean anything? Well, well, well, the thing about that is, I mean, I get that, you know, America and everything, you know, we took this land from uh, you know, Native Americans and all that such, but in in modern times, you you can’t pillage land like that.
I mean, of course you can if there’s if there’s people in there.
Yeah, but they were supposed to be a part of the limits.
It’s off limits.
That should be a basic human right.
I think that’s even in the um uh Geneva Convention or like the human rights something in the Geneva Convention.
In the force Geneva Convention, I think it’s article 49 or 51.
I’m not I’m not I don’t remember really.
It says that you’re not allowed to forcibly transfer civilians into an area that’s been occupied.
This area wasn’t occupied in this land.
It was the British men of Palestine before.
Before that, it was the Ottomans.
Before that, it was the uh I think Islamic Caliphate.
Before that it was the uh crusaders and the Mamluks and the Byzantines and the Romans never a sovereign state and the Jews always had a presence in the land always.
They lived in Jerusalem in Tiberius and suffon always.
Right? And in 1948 when we established this state it’s not like we took the land from the indigenous people.
We said Arabs if you help us build this country you will get exactly the same rights.
And if you happen to visit Israel you’ll see that there’s Arabs serving in the Knesset working as lawyers working as doctors.
any way of knowing like what the people were thinking at the time cuz cuz like at like the whole everyone could have been like well we don’t trust the Israeli government.
We don’t want them to come in and establish this whole state.
We don’t trust them enough to do something like we don’t trust and the fact and the fact that y’all y’all did it anyways and forced it.
You know that that would probably leave a bad taste in their mouth.
Wouldn’t you agree? No, I wouldn’t agree because the same thing happened in Bulgaria when 300,000 Muslims were kicked out of their uh their homes in Bulgaria to Turkey.
They were kicked out of I don’t see any humanitarian movements going right now and protesting for the Bulgarian uh Muslim, you know, their right of return.
Nobody’s protesting about this.
Well, I’m not I’m not um trying to, you know, specifically like, you know, say that this is, you know, the worst.
It’s worse because Israeli people are behind.
You know, that’s not my agenda at all.
You know, I’m not I’m not against Israel, you know.
I don’t think that y’all are some evil corporation who rule all the banks and all the everything and you control every policy.
You know, I don’t think all that stuff, man.
But but like you’re talking about you’re talking about the fact that they would feel bad that all of a sudden they have people in the land that by the way I told you they lived the Jews have lived on this land for 3,000 years since before the Romans kicked them out.
They lived here.
If it’s shared, if it’s shared land, then both sides should have a say in it.
If one side says no, then the other side should just respect that and be like, “Okay, well, this won’t be an Israeli state, but maybe we can make some type of compromise.
” Like, um, if you’re from this state, you can legally have Israeli uh citizenship.
That’s what happened.
All all of the Arabs that failed that did not want to start a war against Israel became equal citizens of Israel.
They serve in the Knesset, which is the parliament in Israel.
They are they can become they can vote.
They can become prime ministers.
They have the same rights as Jews.
And now there’s 2 million Arabs in a 10 million uh population country.
There’s like I said, I’m not I’m not trying to defend them or anything, you know.
I don’t I don’t want to come across like that, but also I disagree with what you said because it it it that time a lot of countries were created, Iraq was created, Lebanon was created, Pakistan was created, a bunch of countries were created.
Why not allow the Jews to self-determine? Well, yes.
I I completely understand what you’re saying.
I’m just trying to give more of a of a perspective outlook on things like you you can’t look at things from one specific side.
You know what I mean? To to you.
Yes, it it may seem like that, but you know, even to me it may seem like that, but to an Israel or not Israel, to like one of those people over there, you know, it might not be the same.
They might they may think completely different things.
You know, they’ve been fed completely different things their whole life and it’s not their fault.
You know, it’s the the Iranian, you know, all those people.
They’re not evil.
Just they’re they’ve just been fed specific information through their lives, and that’s not their fault.
They’ve been killed for it either.
They’ve been fed Shia Islam, which is a violent ideology that seeks to destroy the Kufar and kill the Kufar.
Um, and by the way, it is their fault.
You can get out of this at any moment.
You you just need to ask questions.
People don’t ask questions.
They they accuse right off the bat.
And by the way, Jews were attacked in the land before Israel was created.
We were attacked in uh 1834 in Safid by Muslims.
We were attacked, Jews attacked by Muslims in 1517 in Israel wasn’t created.
It has to do with our religion.
It has to do with the fact that there’s hatred from Islam towards Judaism.
That’s why the country has nothing to do with this.
And people can say we we believe in the existence of Israel, but they will never say we believe in the creation of Israel as a Jewish state.
They will never accept the Jewish aspect of it because it’s got a religious reason, nothing to do with land.
Could Could I say something real quick? Sure.
So, let’s just say this with um for with Germany for instance, right? You know, you know all that stuff that went down with, you know, Hitler and all that, you know.
Um if why isn’t it the same now? Like your country absolutely hates Germany, like wouldn’t your country be sworn enemies with Germany now? I mean, but right now as as I’m aware, you’re not really you’re not at odds.
You’re pretty friendly towards each other.
I’m right.
Because because the the agenda changed, but here I don’t think it’s going to change.
It’s an Islamic agenda that’s been existing for 1400 years.
I don’t think it’s going to change.
And they refused every single peace deal and every single uh land swap opportunity that we gave them.
So, enough with the trying.
Now, every time we’re going to get a we’re going to Their government did that.
like people their people most likely like most of their people may not even harbor hate towards Israelis like you got to think in Germany there might even be some some Germans who still don’t like Jewish people at all like right but but you can’t just you know use that as a as a justifying means to stuff you know Anorat from Egypt after he signed a peace deal with Israel in 19 I think it was 1979 he signed a peace deal he was assassinated by Palestinians for trying to sign a peace deal.
Uh, you know, Palestinians, not leaders or anything, regular people.
Uh, the leader of Jordan, I think his name is Abdalah, he was killed in Al Axa by a Muslim, by a Palestinian Muslim for seeming too peaceful to the Israeli government.
Uh, we have Hz al-Assad from Syria, the father of Assad, the current uh the current leader that just fled.
He was scared to make a peace deal with the Israelis because he was scared of being assassinated.
That’s exactly what I’m talking about.
The people simply don’t recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
They don’t recognize the right of Jews to live here.
So, it’s not only the government, it’s also the people.
And I advise you if you get the opportunity, visit Juda, Samaria.
Go and ask people, Arabs, if they believe in the right of the Jewish state to exist.
See what they say.
Ask them where do you think the settlements are.
They’ll tell you the settlements are all over the country.
Tel Aviv is is a settlement.
Jerusalem is a settlement.
All of the countries a settlement.
They don’t see our existence.
They don’t see our right to exist here.
They don’t see our right to exist.
So, I mean, if you have to tell me what do I choose? Do I choose to be hated by the world and safe and [snorts] do what’s right, I’ll do this.
If you tell me, you know, just give them whatever they want and then be at risk constantly of getting stabbed, exploded, or whatever, just like we had in the first, second, and third inif.
I don’t choose that any day.
I I will never choose that.
And and I get you.
And and like I said or like I’m trying to say, I I don’t have a problem with with Israel going over there and, you know, killing terrorists.
You know, if that’s that’s a good thing to do.
The only problem I have with it is just some some, not all, but some of the ways and some of the people that have, you know, done things to civilians that aren’t good.
You know what I mean? Like that’s my only problem.
like my the war, you know, that’s completely justified from an Israeli standpoint.
I completely understand why and all this stuff on why you’re attacking.
I get it.
And and the things I was saying before is mostly just to I guess widen a perspective a little I guess like just uh maybe giving you a a different uh thought thought point of view I guess like thinking about how a someone that has been indoctrinated from that country since they were born and that that’s just what they believe you know they were raised to believe that and it’s not their fault.
They’re they’re civilians there.
They were born there.
It’s a one in a billion chance to be born and they just happen to be born there.
You know what I mean, right? But ask the right questions.
Try to get answers.
Try to see why, mother, why do we hate the Jews? Like what happened? Why do we hate the people living on the other side? Ask the questions.
We are in in Judaism, we are encouraged to ask questions.
If there’s something we don’t see fit, we ask questions.
If something seems in Judaism, but in in their culture, it might be frowned on to ask such things.
It might even lead you to jail time to ask things.
You know what I mean? That’s exactly the problem.
And that is that is a problem.
Yes.
And it and it needs to be solved.
And it’s it’s very unfortunate that it’s like that.
But I mean, you can’t really control how a a dictatorship country dictates their their people.
You know what I mean? Like it it would be perfect if they would stop feeding the the people of the country propaganda about, you know, Israelis being all bad and they should all die, you know, all this stuff.
But, you know, it’s not going to happen with the current people in charge.
What I think needs to happen is all of them, all of the terrorists and the leaders of the organization need to be fully erad eradicated, fully killed, gone, but they don’t want to.
That does need to happen.
That does need to happen.
But the civilians need to stay out of it completely.
That’s that’s my thought process.
That’s my that’s my finishing statement if I if that makes sense.
Yeah, I I get you.
Uh but you know, in 2006, we actually in 2005, we tested the waters.
We wanted to see what would happen if we just gave the Gaza to the Arabs.
That’s what we did.
We left.
We dug out the the dead bodies.
We dug We told the living people, “Live the live this area and let’s give them a sovereign area to govern.
” That’s what happened in 2006.
They elected Kamas.
2006 the leaders.
You’re speaking of the leaders, correct? Yeah.
Yeah.
The people of Gaza elected Kamas to be their government.
Kamas did not win the majority votes in in the chairs.
They did win majority votes, but not they didn’t get all the chairs.
Were their political ideologies the exact same as they are now? Or were they using more like lies to win? Their political ideology was uh combined with Islam and it’s the same as it was back in 2006.
It’s to eradicate the Jewish state.
That’s what that’s what they attack.
So that that organization ran off of uh like it was always just a a hate organization like a a terrorist organization pretty much.
It was never just like they they say oh yes we are going to do only things to better the country and then they didn’t you know like a swift pool rug kind of they don’t care about the the way the country looks in their charter specifically that was revised but it’s still it still is their policy it says the Jews will we will hide hide behind the trees and the stones and the trees and the stones will say to the Muslim oh Muslim come there’s a Jew behind me come and kill the Jew that’s in their charter of the people in charge of Gaza you understand that’s an issue that’s an issue and in 2006 they fired rockets It’s 2007 they fired rockets.
2008 they fired rockets.
That’s what happened.
So we gave them a de facto state in Gaza in 2005.
Look what happened.
You think we should do the same in Judan Samaria with the West Bank? Never.
We would get Gaza 2.
0 on a much larger scale.
Never.
Yeah, I I understand.
Um there just there just needs to be a serious uh re restructuralization of the of their whole country pretty much you know and that I agree with that.
Yes.
And and it just you know we can’t hold civilians of a country like that at at uh you know you can’t hold them accountable for such things cuz they elected them.
It’s pretty much not their fault.
I mean they elected them like You were born and raised to believe things and you believe them brothers mad at you for believing them, you know, like but they elected kamas.
They elected this this group to lead them because they wanted it to be more religious.
They elected them.
So of course we can not every person voted though% civilians are bad just like in Germany.
Some Germany people like Nazis.
100% not the majority of civilians are bad but 80% of Gazans voted for Hamas knowing their policies, knowing what they were going to do.
So if that’s what you vote for, you deal with the consequences.
It’s it’s very simple.
Very simple.
And then why would you keep supporting Hamas if they attack Israel and start a war in 2008? Why would you still support Hamas if they attack Israel in 2014? Why would you do this? You know that there’s going to be damage coming afterwards.
So I do blame them that not all of them, but the majority of them.
There there may also be like a a communications error cuz you you know how their state is is pretty you know like third worldish you know it’s not a rich country at all like I’m sure it it it’s probably pretty difficult honestly to to get information that is like real and reliable.
I mean they they’re all their news media is probably propaganda.
I mean if you really got to think about it it’s probably all just death to Israel propaganda.
death to America propaganda and and that’s all that they’re reading.
If if you were to read anti- uh American propaganda all day for the for your whole life, wouldn’t you say that you would hate America naturally? I mean, that’s pretty much Islam in a nutshell.
That’s what you just described.
And and and it Yes.
And it’s unfortunate, but they have even the people that harbor hate, I’m sure it’s not even genuine hate.
It’s It’s most likely manufactured just from all the the misinformation and all the propaganda that they have.
Does that make them dangerous? Yes.
Does that make them a threat that needs to be eliminated necessarily? Not really.
In some specific cases, maybe like very very specific cases though in my opinion.
Well, the stated goal but the stated goal was never to eradicate all of them.
The stated goal was to eradicate This guy doesn’t know much.
We can see that.
Can you hear me? Uh yeah, sorry.
It it buffered for a second.
I said the I said when um uh you said two things.
You said that they are third third world country.
Do you know how much funding they got from the international community? Do you know how much? Insane amounts.
Insane.
Gaza is considered to be fairly rich.
I’m not saying the people are poor.
I’m not saying that the government is poor, but that most people in their country are poor.
Would you agree? Yeah.
I mean, yes, but Israel gave them opportunities.
They they told people, “Hey, you guys can come and work for Israel and work in Israel, and then you can go back in the evening to Gaza.
” They made a lot more money.
But what what did some of those people do? They spied for Hamas to tell them which settlements to uh to go into an attack when they did October 7th.
So even the people that get good rights and good benefits, they were recruited by Hamas and Hamas used them and killed civilians that way on October 7th.
So I’m I’m just telling you, in my opinion, there needs to be a complete uh a complete leadership change.
There needs to be a re-education system.
Oh yeah, completely completely.
And and also it’s not only that.
Search stuff.
Go on your phone.
I’m sure your phone is not blocked.
Go on your phone and search stuff.
Research stuff.
Educate yourself.
If I don’t know something, I’ll I’ll look for it and I’ll try to find the answers and I encourage everybody to do so.
That’s all that’s the problem I have with them.
But what I what I was saying earlier though about that is it it’s most likely harder to find like reliable information like like if they if they even have phones and stuff like you know there’s probably people over there with phones and stuff you know do but most of most of their like Wi-Fi access is probably pretty either restricted or they’re only allowed to view certain things like I don’t think so about their country and about other countries like you you just you never really know when it comes to other countries.
countries like this cuz at the end of the day I I’m not from that country.
You’re not from the country.
So, how could we ever truly know how it really goes down though? Because it’s not actually we can read news all day.
We can we can read um you know like all this [ __ ] but it you just it it would be better if like if they had more reliable information, you know.
Yeah.
Uh brother, I am um I’m going to go to the next person.
Thank you so much for the conversation.
I really appreciate it.
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you so much.
Uh do you do YouTube or anything? Yes, I do YouTube.
Uh what’s your channel? It’s called Sahar TV.
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Thank you so much.
Thank you for the conversation.
Thank you for being respectful.
Absolutely, man.
Absolutely.
I I don’t uh engage in harmful discussion like that.
I like to keep it respectful on both sides.
That’s what we need.
Thank you.
Even if we’re at a disagreement, you know what I mean? You’re right.
Thank you.
Well, absolutely.
You have a good day, man.
God bless.
You, too.
God bless you.
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